Saturday, November 03, 2007

Zeitgeist - The Movie

Zeitgeist is an absolutely mind blowing experience. They are having a remastered version of it showing in Los Angeles sometime in early November. Check their official website for details.

11 comments:

Paul C. Quillman said...

Aaron,
I looked over the site for the movie, and noticed that they endorsed Ron Paul for President? Do you intend to follow that suggestion? Just wondering

Paul C. Quillman

Larro said...

I thoroughly enjoyed the Zeitgeist movie. Very telling.

Ron Paul might be alright if he weren't running for the Republican nomination (He is libertarian. When's the last time we had one of them in the White House). Also, Ron Paul doesn't come across as part of the "ole boys club" (even though a woman can belong to that club).

Don't get me wrong. I'm not gonna vote for Ron Paul. I'm leaning Kucinich.

Aaron Kinney said...

Hey Paul!

Here's something that will blow your mind:

I support Ron Paul. In fact, I donated $200 to his campaign today (www.thisnovember5th.com).

But Im NOT going to vote for him in the general election.

Thats the irony of the anarchist! ;)

Paul C. Quillman said...

Well, I am a bit suprised. The most suprising thing is the diversity peoples views that he attracts.
I do like his fiscal policy, and his hatred of the un tickles me a bit. But the one point that I can't go with him on is Iraq. I think he is wrong.

If you are spending $200, why are you not going to vote for him in the general election? If not him who, then?

Paul

Aaron Kinney said...

Paul,

Well, I am a bit suprised. The most suprising thing is the diversity peoples views that he attracts.

Yes its funny, cause most of the Republican base hates him, but he attracts all kinds of broad support. Even from anarchists like me!

I do like his fiscal policy, and his hatred of the un tickles me a bit. But the one point that I can't go with him on is Iraq. I think he is wrong.

Fair enough. Personally, his anti-war stance is my favorite part ;)

If you are spending $200, why are you not going to vote for him in the general election? If not him who, then?

Excellent question, Paul, and one that I have agonized over. You see, I deconverted to anarchy a little over a year ago, and I swore off voting ever since then, because I now believe that democracy as a system is inherently evil (I know that sounds crazy to you, but just roll with me for a second here).

So this whole Ron Paul explosion caught me by surprise. From my anarchist perspective, the elections are just a matter of picking the lesser of evils. But its still picking evil just the same. But Ron Paul is definitely someone I want to be president if we are to assume that there WILL be SOME kind of president in 08.

So I find myself in a bit of a conundrum. On the one hand, supporting a politician is against my principles, but on the other hand, I know that my life will be much better off with Paul in charge compared to all the other candidates.

So I figure that what I will do is 1) donate money to Ron Paul, 2) vote for him in the primaries, and 3) boycott the general election.

The reasons for this are as follows: Donating money to Paul is like an investment. You spend $200 now to save thousands of $ in the future (through less taxation). Also, voting for Ron Paul in the primaries will have more effect because of the nature of the primary voting system. But I live in CA, and its a garunteed blue state, so voting in the general election is pretty much pointless. Besides, if Paul wins the nomination, he will most surely beat any Democratic candidate he is up against. He outflanks all the Democratic contenders on every issue, with perhaps the exception of Kucinich. But Kucinich isnt a top tier candidate, while Ron Paul is.

So what I am doing, in essence, is partially sidestepping my non-voting principles in the hopes of reducing the amount of state interference in my life.

I hate to ask you this Paul, but my curiosity is killing me. Why exactly do you disagree with Ron Paul about the Iraq war?

And one more thing, Paul. Have you watched the whole Zeitgeist movie yet? Im not expecting you to agree with the movies message, but Im very interested in your reaction to it. :)

Paul said...

But what if the after life turned out to be a group of atheists sitting around busting on the idea of God?

Paul C. Quillman said...

Aaron: Excellent question, Paul, and one that I have agonized over. You see, I deconverted to anarchy a little over a year ago, and I swore off voting ever since then, because I now believe that democracy as a system is inherently evil (I know that sounds crazy to you, but just roll with me for a second here).

Paul: I get that, actually. I could go quazi arnichist, but I am not that optimistic about human nature, I'm a Calvinist.

Aaron: The reasons for this are as follows: Donating money to Paul is like an investment. You spend $200 now to save thousands of $ in the future (through less taxation). Also, voting for Ron Paul in the primaries will have more effect because of the nature of the primary voting system. But I live in CA...

Paul: I think you and I would agree on taxes far more than we disagree. And you living in CA means you understand overtaxation far better than I do living in TN. I agree that Paul would put the smackdown on inane federal taxes his first week in office. The IRS probably would not survive as an institution more than a day or so.

Aaron: But I live in CA, and its a garunteed blue state, so voting in the general election is pretty much pointless. Besides, if Paul wins the nomination, he will most surely beat any Democratic candidate he is up against.

Paul: And I live in TN, a garunteed red state, so voting against Paul is pretty much pointless. If he does get the nomination, I will be unable to vote for the Republican for the first time in my life. And, yes, Paul does beat every Democrat that is running right now.

Aaron: So what I am doing, in essence, is partially sidestepping my non-voting principles in the hopes of reducing the amount of state interference in my life.

Paul: To which I say a hearty "AMEN!!!" (Can I say that on an athiest blog?:])

Aaron: I hate to ask you this Paul, but my curiosity is killing me. Why exactly do you disagree with Ron Paul about the Iraq war?


Paul: Ask anything you want, and if I really don't know the answer, I promise to admit it up front.

I think we should have gone into Iraq. I think that GHW Bush, should have removed Saddam during the begining of the gulf war, however, he lacked the political spine to finish the job. As an aside, it was GW Bush that finished the gulf war. GHWB never declared that the war was over, we just signed a ceasefire with Saddam, which he broke a few months after signing it, we should have gotten rid of him then. This is why I don't subscribe to the notion that we are in a new war with Iraq, we are just finishing it 15 years later than we should.

Saddam agreed to allowing weapons inspectors, allowing a British and US enforced no fly zone, and he agreed to account for his WMD programs, as well as all WMD materials we knew he had. He kicked the weapons inspectors out, fired on British and US war planes enforcing the no fly zone, and did not account for all of the WMD material we knew he had (some of which we probably gave him to keep Iran in check).

IMO, all of this looks like breach of treaty, and thus we can resume hostilities.

Adding to that, my beszt friend is on leave from his 2nd tour. I asked him several questions about weather we should be there or not. Mostly, I wanted to hear from someone I trusted, that lived on the ground, and he qualifies. He is seeing progress. He sees that we are begining to win the hearts and minds, and if we stay long enough to give the Iraqi's time to take responsibility for their own country, we should have a strong ally in the Middle East.

To my knowledge, Ron Paul has either ignored this, or he does not agree with it. He is free to do either, that is his right as an individual. But, this election cycle, foreign policy is a non negotiable for me, and I do not agree that we should pull out on Jan 21, 2009, but he seems to think we should. For me, that is a deal breaker.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will try to carve out some time to do so. November and December are the busiest months of the year for me, so I may not get it in one sitting. But whenm I finish it, I will be happy to give you my thoughts.

Paul

Ryan Toronyi said...

Despite what you believe about Zeitgeist the movie, lets remember that we know more today then we knew yesterday - this is a constant truth. Before you allow this movie to consume your thoughts, remind yourself of the truths before you as you search for the truths that are hidden.

WELCOME TO THE HUMAN RACE
Article by: Ryan P. Toronyi


~ STATEMENT TO HUMANITY ~

The key to knowledge is the ability to organized and understand information…
Do not support what you don't agree with…

I felt a need to examine my life. I discovered truths that changed my realities…
I'm not sure if my views are changing as much as my beliefs in my views...
An intelligent person is the first one to debate their opinions…

~ OUR EXISTENCE ~

You are born without understanding or faith. Your natural instincts are changed as you are taught who you are and who you should become…

WE EXIST AS A FORM OF ENERGY WITH THE ABILITY TO COMPREHEND OUR ENVIRONMENT FROM A SMALL AREA IN THE BACK OF OUR BRAINS:

- We don’t see with our eyes, we see through our eyes…. We actually perceive an image, translate and comprehend our environment within a physical area inside our brain that hasn’t directly experienced light in any form since? This is true about all of your senses: Hearing, Sight, Taste, Smell, and Touch.

WE EXIST AS SOMETHING BEYOND THE PHYSICAL FORM:

If you take away my flesh, who I am remains…

- Categorize a body into small enough pieces and you have the ability to witness that in the absence of any piece of a physical existence a personality remains, we can only destroy or change the physical.
- Our existence beyond the physical cannot be identified as more than a form of energy (society has and continues to debate this - the element of a soul).
- We are unique, as much as science has and will continue to explain about our genetic recipe, ultimately as a person we exist before conception. No two sperm will create the same results.
- You are unique before conception, the energy of who you are creates who you become, and the deeper science investigates the more we realize about our existence.
- Our physical bodies are biological machines we use to experience this existence, a machine that is fragile and can be destroyed… but still just a machine.

WE ARE EQUAL IN EVERY MEASURE (ASIDE FROM OUR PHYSICAL FORM WHICH ULTIMATELY HOLDS NO RELEVANCE) WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE, MOST IMPORTANT WE ARE ONLY AS GREAT AS THE COMPLETE COLLECTIVE OF OUR SPECIES:

- This is important, because in the long list of disgusting attributes human kind has developed that set us aside from the other species we share this planet with – we have with complete ignorance allowed members of our species to believe they’ve obtained supremacy of power, value, and importance over the rest of us.

WE ARE NOT PROPERTY.
WE HAVE MORALS AND A CONSCIENCE.
WE TEACH AND LEARN BY EXAMPLE.
WE ARE INTELLIGENT.
WE ARE AND NEED TO CONTINUE IMPROVING.

Never allow anyone to tell you what to believe as truth…

~ OUR FEDERAL GOVERNING SYSTEMS ~

Although I believe at one time our governments worked for societies. I now have no doubts that societies are working for the governments, ask yourself if that’s right…

What is the purpose of our federal governments?
Imagine if our local municipalities existed without any higher form of government. Imagine if your tax dollars went directly back into the community in which you live and work.

THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO REASON THE MEMBERS OF ANY COMMUNITY NEED OUTSIDE AUTHORITY.

FEDERAL HEALTH CARE IS NOT WORKING, FEDERAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS LACK INTELLIGENCE, FEDERAL TAXES FUND WARS, AND THE LIST GOES ON…

FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS SERVE ONE MAJOR PURPOSE – POPULATION CONTROL, WITH THE GOAL TO OBTAIN THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER SOCIETY. FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS DON’T WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. THEY WORK TOGETHER WITH OTHER FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTERNATIONAL CONTROL.

The federal government doesn’t care about you, it’s robbing you. The federal government is limiting what you do, where you go, what you consume, etc…

They pretend to own you, and it’s a shame just how many of us believe they do…

~ OUR RELIGIONS ~

As much as we will ever know about our existence, I believe firmly that only an ignorant person would assume that we are the elite of all creation. There is and will forever be more to the picture, something greater then what we understand.

Please question everything, including your faith…

www.zeitgeistmovie.com – Free online Knowledge – Email me for more sources: ryantoronyi@hotmail.com

~ OUR POLICING/MILITARY FORCES ~

AS LONG AS THERE IS IGNORANCE IN SOCIETY, THERE WILL BE INJUSTICE AND CRIME:

- We are animals of gaining knowledge therefore it is safe to assume that while we don’t all share the same knowledge we will discover disagreements within ourselves and those we live amongst.

WE ARE EMOTIONAL CREATURES:

- We allow our emotions at times to dictate our actions, although this feature of our existence requires more understanding, it remains a truth.
- We will find that we all share an “evil” inside us, and at times (right or wrong) we act upon that “evil” as a part of who we are. Let’s not forget about the “great” inside us, and what wondrous outcomes hail from which.

WE KNOW BETTER:

Even though I’ll admit that Policing/Military forces can serve a purpose (world aid, etc… – this is another long discussion), I still can’t help but believe that the human race would continue to exist with or without such power controlling forces…

- Just as we have the ability to act criminally we have the ability to act morally.
- The only time our opinions on a situation contain any value, are when the actions taken affect us directly and/or indirectly. This seeming to be the case for just about everything that happens amongst our species (for every action there exist a reaction), it rests as evidence that if justice is to be served and the final decision is to contain any solid form of social justification, then it must be the decision of the majority of every opinion, not just the opinions of those in power with the loudest voices!

THE AMOUNT OF POLICING/MILITARY FORCES HAVE NOT AND WILL NEVER COMPLETELY CONTROL ANY INJUSTICES, UNTIL THEY HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL WHICH IS AN INJUSTICE TO ALL THOSE BEING CONTROLLED:

Please read this twice…

- We have proven that unless the environment of our situation is fully controlled we are allowing the possibility for actions of “hatred” to prevail. However we also prevail with actions of “greatness”. Full control will eliminate the option for either.
- We live in a society where we will stand by without action and watch something we know is morally wrong occur because we fear the same Policing/Military Forces we have created to protect us from such injustices.
- We know that Policing/Military Forces don’t prevent crimes of any nature. This is not because there is not enough force, it’s because we cannot predict an uncontrolled future.

Chaos will always exist – it is a required element of evolution…

WE NEED TO ACCEPT THAT WE ARE NOT PERFECT THERE WILL BE ACTIONS OF CRIME UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND OUR BEHAVIOUR:

- Too many of us are guilty of placing more of our efforts towards our own personal gains without taking the consideration of the wellbeing of others into mind.
- We are guilty of accepting the belief that we are “evil” on a primitive level, instead of simply ignorant and misunderstood like every other creature that exists.
- This “primitive” level of our existence is studied under the research of our reptilian complex.

IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DEFENDING YOUR BELIEFS AND PERSONAL JUSTICES THEN YOU SHOULD DO SO – JUST AS YOU SHOULD DO FOR THOSE AROUND YOU WHO CAN’T DEFEND THEIR RIGHTS...

I AM GIVING MYSELF THE AUTHORITY TO HELP AID AND DEFEND MY FELLOW PERSON – I ASK YOU DO THE SAME…

People are good, until given reasons to justify their “bad” actions...

I was once told that everything in life can be justified - Are we intelligent enough to know what needs to be justified?

~ OUR SOCIETY ~

How do you expect us to behave? You tell us not to allow our anger to bring harm to our neighbors across the street, but you do nothing better then make us heroes when we do worst to our neighbors in foreign countries because of an anger you’ve created?...

NO ONE CAN GIVE A SINGLE REASON TO WANT ANYTHING LESS THEN WORLD PEACE – WE ALL WANT BETTER LIVES:

- The reality of obtaining world peace although appears to require major change actually requires ZERO effort. The major changes come after we realize this truth.
- It is our biggest contradiction that we continue to believe that this achievement requires war.

http://www.hfxpeace.chebucto.org/ – Free online Knowledge – Email me for more sources: ryantoronyi@hotmail.com

The realities I’m faced with today will show in the actions I take in my future…

I will not directly support what I don't agree with - this statement should be true for everyone…

NOT ONCE DID I SAY THAT GOVERNING SYSTEMS DON’T WORK, THAT POLICING/MILITARY FORCES SERVE NO PURPOSE, OR THAT RELIGION’S ARE FALSE CONCEPTS. – THIS IS IMPORTANT:

- We are all born into the moral sins of our ancestors. This is part of how we evolve/improve as a species. It is our responsibility on an individual level that we recognize how our actions affect the collective.
- We have allowed the development of our society we must share the responsibility of fixing the problems we discover within it.

The next steps we take are the most important – this will always be true…

THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT OUT OF LIFE:

- To own shelter and protection from the elements
- To have food to prevent hunger
- To find love worth everything
- To have family and friends to celebrate existence with
- To have others who will provide aid when required
- To have the ability to return a favor
- To just feel “good” about the person you are

~ WE ALL DESERVE EQUALITY ~

I am still searching for someone who wants anything less – the truth is that when you take a global perspective you realize that the majority of us don’t have what we all deserve. Stop believing that there is nothing you can do…

QUESTION EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU UNDERSTAND:

GOVERNMENT – How does this system work? Is it required?
TAXES – Why do we pay taxes? What do they fund?
IDENTIFICATION – Why are we being named, numbered, and organized?
RELIGION – Should any faith require the element of fear? Should we not question our faith?
HUMANKIND – Who are we? Are we actually intelligent?

I disagree with the structure of societies under all forms of hierarchy – because the people on top believe they have more value than those below them, and the people on the bottom dangerously lack the intelligence to know better – all us of breath the same air, we are all here for the same reason - to enjoy our lives as much as possible…

HERE ARE THE REAL SECRETS TO LIFE:

MONEY HAS NO VALUE – IT IS A FORM OF CONTROLLING LARGE POPULATIONS – RESEARCH THIS FOR YOUR SELF:

- Money is not a bad idea, it makes trade more convenient. The problem with money is obvious, we made it worth everything – It truly became the almighty dollar.
- We have given it so much value that we became purchasable.

To imagine that something as small and simple as a coin in my hand would hold enough value to another person they’d take my life from me for it…

What holds real value cannot be stolen to hold real value for anyone else…

THERE IS ONLY ONE LAW – DO UNTO OTHER AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.

YOU DESRERVE COMPLETE FREEDOM – YOU ARE A SLAVE TO THE ORDER OF A SOCIETY THAT ULTIMATELY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL WELLBEING:

- We are taught that our freedoms cost the lives of many in war and that we should continue to support the ability to protect what freedoms we have, while we continue fighting for the freedoms we lack.

When did one person take freedom away from another? How did they do it? Why did they do it? What is one person’s freedom worth?

- The action of fighting for our freedoms is the statement that admits we don’t have them.
- Freedom can not be stolen - it has to be given away. We give up our freedoms when we fear those who threaten us.

The act of war is something that should embarrass us…
The brave will walk forward in peace, despite the threatening actions of others. They are fearless of everything including their own suffering and death…

I will not remember and honor the soldiers we have and continue to lose without the same consideration for the lives they have and continue to take. ~ PEACE TO ALL ~

YOU HAVE AS MUCH VALUE AND POTENTIAL AS EVERYONE ELSE – YOU ARE EQUAL IN EVERY MEASURE THAT MATTERS.

IF SOMETHING IS WORTH DYING FOR, THEN IT'S WORTH KILLING TO PROTECT - BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THIS STATEMENT - THINK ABOUT WHAT HOLDS THE MOST VALUE IN YOUR LIFE:

- This statement will hold truth until our level of intelligence rises.
- The most dangerous thing you can do in your life is threaten what holds the most value to another person.
- Understand that just because a statement holds truth, doesn’t make it right for every situation.

We unfortunately do not always think before we act…

ALL ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES - JUST AS ALL ACTIONS ARE CONSEQUENCES.

IF YOU ARE BEING CONTROLLED - YOU ARE ALLOWING IT.

*** QUESTION THIS DOCUMENT – RESEARCH THE VALIDITY OF THE INFORMATION YOU’VE JUST RECEIVED, DISCOVER THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELF ***

You might want to read this again to avoid any misunderstanding…

MY NAME IS RYAN PATRICK TORONYI, I WAS BORN ON THE FIRST OF AUGUST 1979 – CHRISTIAN CALENDER, ON EARTH, AND I WILL DIE FEARLESS WHEN IT HAPPENS - READY TO WELCOME WHAT COMES NEXT.

The collective development of this document was only possible because of the knowledge obtained by those who knew/know what needs to be understood. As such, this document has and will continue to evolve. The World Wide Web is our global consciousness…

READY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OF MY ACTIONS AS I LIVE IN SUPPORT OF: FREEDON OF VOICE, FREEDOM OF ACTION, AND FREEDOM TO ACHIEVE WORLD PEACE…

~ THE FUTURE IS NOW ~

Postglobalism said...

Conspiracy Theories

You hear about them all the time; clever Jews who steal money from nations to support their Israeli state, secret Freemasonic societies that hide occult truths about a future world government, powerful capitalists holding special meetings and dangerous satanists who sacrifice children to Satan. What all of these rumours have in common, is that they constitute what we often call "conspiracies," or the belief that historical, political and/or social events can be attributed the power of a secret group.

Antiglobalism

I didn't like Zeitgeist because conspiracy theories stink. The Money Masters had it right without any clandestine alliances: the modern industrial world is driven by a simple business agenda.

We need political unity to drive these parasites off the system and abolish the powerful centralized governments. The lone political crusader like Ron Paul will not succeed, as you might have noticed from the negative media bias he has gathered.

scrutinizer said...

Ron Paul is the ONLY one with any character. The ONLY one that will abolish the crooked, illegal Federal Reserve, who is anti-war (not in Israel's pocket), etc etc, in other words the only one not bought and paid for. He won't become Pres because voting machines and media whores will prevent this. Zeitgeist is the clear and present truth, verify it.

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