Monday, December 11, 2006

Charlie Brown Must Die



*I dont really think Charlie Brown should die, but this video is just absolutely hilarious!

21 comments:

AJ Milne said...

... this video is just absolutely hilarious!

I'm relieved to hear you say that. It makes me feel slightly less worried that I was actually laughing out loud at that last scene.

Aaron Kinney said...

"Hail Satan" was the funniest part :D

Krystalline Apostate said...

Aaron:
Mean, rude, but oh, so utterly hysterical!
"You bought a dead fucking tree, Charlie Brown" was my favorite.

Anonymous said...

NOTE: REPOSTED FROM PREVIOUS POST, IN CASE THAT ONE IS NOT CHECKED.
All "morality" is bullshit. Every moral axiom must either be derived from other moral axioms, or just be arbitrarily made up. Just because we intuitively consider certain morals as self evident, such as autonomy this does not mean that they really are true, just that we have an urge to consider them such. We also have other urges such as sexual lust, which are not considered the foundations for morality. Why give preference to morals such as autonomy, or the golden rule? Being internally consistent does not make any moral system more valid either. Also, utilitarian arguments do not work, for actions to benefit the greater good, greater good must be defined. Good must also be based upon objective claims, which are also impossible to come by. Having a moral system is fine, but it must be realized that it is illogical, since it is based upon unproven claims. Nihilism is the natural extension of atheism!

Anonymous said...

PS:
I realize that I am using logic to argue for the absence of any objectivity which is self contradictory. This can be (sort of) reconciled internally by just accepting that I am choosing logic as a moral precept at random, and that ultimately contradicting yourself would be O.K. assuming no true objectivity exists. Paradoxes sure are interesting!

Aaron Kinney said...

Anonymous,

Axioms cannot be proven with prior facts or whatever, otherwise they wouldnt be axioms.

And self-ownership is an axiom because it is impossible to prove the contrary! You have to ASSUME self-ownership in order to even ATTEMPT to disprove it.

Anonymous, you have to utilize self-ownership every time you do anything, including merely being aware or awake or telling your eyes to look at this or that. To express an argument that self-ownership is not true, you have to excercise (implicitly showing that it is true) the very thing you want to deny!

And no, I dont usually check prior posts after a few weeks. So thanks for posting this here.

Aaron Kinney said...

Anonymous,

One more thing. Nihilism is the natural conclusion or consequence of THEISM. It has nothing to do with atheism.

Atheism requires that axioms be centered around natural properties of existence. Theism requires that axioms be centered around conscious beings.

Indeed, theism contends that existence was created by God out of nothing (ex nihilo). You dont get much more NIHILISTIC than existence EX NIHILO!

Atheism, on the other hand, tends to bring materialism with it. While atheism in itself does not require a non-nihilistic worldview, it is completely compatible with such.

Theism, on the other hand, is incompatible with materialism and naturalism.

Aaron Kinney said...

When I said:

Atheism requires that axioms be centered around natural properties of existence.

I acutally meant to say "Atheism requires that, if you have axioms, they be centered around natural properties of existence."

Atheism in itself does not require axioms. It is the negation of a claim, not a claim in itself.

Anonymous said...

Of course in practice I am a naturalist. However, just because you cannot disprove self-ownership doesn't mean that it is true (we always use this against theists!) Its very much a part of being human, and it is the urge I feel most above all others so I agree with you in this respect. I am just looking for a logical reason that this is any better of a base than another, such as one that covets survival, or pleasure, two other very basic desires of humans, that obviously lead to different conclusions.

Anonymous said...

Also, thanks for being civil and not just shouting TROLL! (since I'm not.) That axioms be based upon natural existence: hmmm nice idea! But, natural existence isn't always such a moral thing, no? If so we should eliminate the number one thing hurting the earth at the moment: humans! Seems pretty immoral to me!

Aaron Kinney said...

Anonymous,

You said:

Of course in practice I am a naturalist. However, just because you cannot disprove self-ownership doesn't mean that it is true (we always use this against theists!)

Well, there is only two kinds of ownership: self ownership and other ownership. Or I suppose you could have a "no ownership" option but that would only help my cause anyway.

But this isnt the same thing we use against theists, because identity of existents is axiomatic, while the existence of God is not. God is not an axiom of knowledge or whatever, so I dont think these things equivocate.

It is axiomatic that X exists, and that X has a definite identity, etc. Self-ownership is easy to recognize as true. Do you own yourelf, Anonymous? I dont think that anybody would deny BOTH self-ownership AND other-ownership simultaneously.

What do you have against self-ownership anyway? Do you prefer slavery to freedom? ;)

Also, thanks for being civil and not just shouting TROLL! (since I'm not.)

Youre very welcome. I could tell you werent a troll. And even then, I often entertain trolls anyway. You seem like a nice person. And you implied that you arent a theist, so thats a BIG plus!! ++++++

That axioms be based upon natural existence: hmmm nice idea! But, natural existence isn't always such a moral thing, no? If so we should eliminate the number one thing hurting the earth at the moment: humans! Seems pretty immoral to me!

Morality is contextual. Only actions can and concepts can be judged moral and immoral, and only acting agents (conscious agents some would say) commit actions and produce concepts. So morality only applies to sentient acting agents like us. Furthermore, morality is contextual to the kind of entity. Morality is not the same for a bacteria as it is for humans! But in the "humans" category, we are all equally subject to the same moral principles.

So Earth should not be rid of humans. Besides, if we keep fucking up the planet, we will rid ourselves from Earth on her behalf. Earth has survived many more terrible things than what humans can currently do. The Earth need not fear humans, nor have a third party rid them from her surface.

And finally, even if it WERE moral to remove humans from the Earth (which it isnt), it would be immoral to force humans to leave their home, just like its immoral to force a human to do anything. :)

beepbeepitsme said...

I love the way Linus gives this quite adult-like speech about christmas and then picks up his "blankie" before he walks off stage. lol

Anonymous said...

this has nothing to do with your topic but i wanted you to read it so i put it on this paragraph. atheist assume they know the truth but it saddens me i see such lack in there quest for real truth. i will be sending writtings of great wisdom and if you will just open your mind and heart to observe universal knowledge then you might find a whole new world that was never known before, if you close your mind up and dwell on the negative thoughts of your beliefs being the only truth then how can you ever know real truth, you have to realize that all is on there own journey for truth, but why search outside yourself for truth when you hold the answers to everything within.. most do not know what i mean and if they did they wouldn't understand how to search within, one way is meditaion but i do not suggest that to someone who is unexperienced for it could be dangerous.. so i would suggest finding peoples thoughts that will idetify your true nature and by saying this i mean by reading others opinions but only those that identify who you truly are not in the since of labels and appearence but acknowledging true being, the one who is behind the ego and the roles that we play throughout our daily lives.. can you be the one out of many who feels in the debts of your being the longing for real truth.. well it takes a special person to open his mind so as to find real truth.. real truth consist of all things in one form or another most people pick only a branch from the complete tree of knowledge, they never explore the others because of fear or lazyness, the fear could be from many roots such as the unknown or the opinions of others who are stuck on one point of view, yes may are scared of what others will think, well it doesnt matter because you and you alone have to make the choice to go where few has gone before and thats beyond the limits of what the average american stays inslaved to, that goes for anyman at that. how far can you seek within yourself, what is true will be reveal with persistance and effort... do you, as what looks like to me a smart guy really think so many people(and im talking millions upon billions of people) could be wrong when they speak of a person behind the will of every car( in other words the spirit of man)do you really believe that all those people made up a spirit out of then air.. be realistic now in your thinking, any theory that is not effective will callaspe and die out like so many has already, yes they will have there time but it will advetually die and never be brought up again, if so many people found there spirit/there true being by there own personal experience then why can that ever be concidered a lie or a myth? is it because science knows it all, oh wait what does science really know, what is there ultimate conclusion? i find science to be great but closed minded, how can they ever find real truth without studying the truth inwhich every human has experienced, it takes time and an open mind, but science like many of us are so worried about whats on the surface of life( whats outside themselves_ that they are asleep in there awareness of all possibilities that can be discovered.. so i challenge all people to forget about one concept and search them all to the fullest for all humans no matter what there upbringing has a since of unity with everyone, if we would forget the limits and go on a real quest who knows what we will discover, i garentee if you are really looking you will find,and you will not be disapointed. who is anyone to tell someone else who or what they are, we all suffer in one way or another and we all have the right to know the real truth, why would anyman let one man or a group of people tell them this is the finale truth there is no truth beyond what we have pieced together, why settle that, why when there really is so much more not to mention the ultimate forfillment that we all desre and long for.. you can believe or not but it is within everyones reach.. that is all i will say for now i will leave with these writings from a man who went beyond the limits, i as well as others are truely thankful and at peace because of this mans drive, his name is samael aun weor
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gnostics -
possessing intellectual or esoteric knowledge of spiritual things


The Psychological "I"
Written by Samael Aun Weor
This question of the Me, Myself, of what I am, of that which thinks, feels and acts, is something that we must explore within ourselves in order for us to gain profound knowledge.

Everywhere there are lovely theories which attract and fascinate us. However, they are of no use at all if we do not know ourselves. It is fascinating to study astronomy or to amuse ourselves somewhat reading serious works. Nevertheless, it is ironic to become erudite and not know anything about the Me, Myself, about the 'I', about the human Personality we possess.

Everyone is very free to think whatever they please and the subjective Reasoning of the 'Intellectual Animal' mistakenly called Human Being can manage to do anything. Just as it can make a mountain out of a molehill, it can make a molehill of a mountain. There are many intellectuals who constantly toy with rationalism, but in the end, what good does it do?

To be scholarly does not mean to be wise. Learned ignoramuses are as abundant as weeds. Not only do they not know, but they are not even aware they do not know. Learned ignoramuses are those know-it-alls who believe they know everything and who indeed do not even know themselves.

We could theorize splendidly on the Psychological I, but that is not exactly what interests us in this chapter. We need to know ourselves directly as we are, without involving a depressing optional process. This would in no way be possible unless we were to observe ourselves in action from instant to instant, from moment to moment. This is not a matter of seeing ourselves through theories or by simple intellectual speculation. We are interested in seeing ourselves directly as we are; this is the only way we will be able to gain true knowledge of ourselves.

Although it might seem incredible, we are mistaken with regard to ourselves. Many things we believe we have, we do not have, and many things that we do not believe we have, we do. We have formed false concepts about ourselves, and we must, therefore, do an inventory to find out what we have too much of and what we lack. We assume that we have such and such qualities, which indeed we do not, and we are surely ignorant of many virtues that we do possess. We are asleep, unconscious, and that is very serious.

Unfortunately, we think the best of ourselves and never even suspect that we are asleep. The Holy Scriptures insist on the need to awaken, but do not explain the system to achieve this awakening. Worst of all, there are many who have read the Holy Scriptures and still do not understand that they are asleep.

Everyone believes that they know themselves and do not have even the faintest idea that there exist a Doctrine of the Many. Indeed, each person's psychological 'I' is multiple; it always consists of many. By this we mean that we have many selves and not just one, as is always assumed by learned ignoramuses. To deny the Doctrine of the Many is to make fools of ourselves.

In fact, it is the height of absurdity to ignore the Intimate contradictions which each of us possess. 'I am going to read a newspaper,' says the 'I' of Intellect. 'To heck with reading,' exclaims the 'I' of movement, 'I prefer to ride my bicycle.' 'Forget it,' shouts a third Ego in disagreement, 'I'd rather eat, I'm hungry.' If we could see ourselves in a full-length mirror, just as we are, we would discover for ourselves directly the Doctrine of the Many. The human personality is only a marionette controlled by invisible strings. The ego which swears eternal love for Gnosis is later replaced by another which has nothing to do with the pledge; then the individual leaves. The 'I' which swears eternal love for one woman is later replaced by another one which has nothing to do with that oath. Then the person falls in love with another woman, and like a house of cards it all collapses.

The 'Intellectual Animal' mistakenly called human being is like a house filled with many people. There is no order or agreement among the multiple I's; they all quarrel with each other and fight for supremacy. When one of them gains control of the capital centers of the organic machine, it feels unique, a Master. Nevertheless, in the end it is overthrown.

Considering the matter from this point of view, we come to the logical conclusion that the 'Intellectual Mammal' does not have a true sense of moral responsibility. Undoubtedly, whatever the machine says or does at a given time depends exclusively on the type of ego in control at that moment.

It is said that Jesus of Nazareth drove out Seven Demons, seven egos, from the body of Mary Magdalene, living personifications of the seven capital sins. Obviously, each of these seven demons is the head of a legion. Therefore, we can establish as a natural consequence that the intimate Christ was able to expel thousands of egos from the body of Mary Magdalene.

Reflecting upon all this we can clearly infer that the only worthwhile part of us is the Essence which, tragically, is trapped within these multiple I's of the Revolutionary Psychology. Unfortunately, the Essence is always limited in its processes by Virtue of its own imprisonment. Without question the Essence, or Consciousness, which is the same thing, sleeps deeply.

Anonymous said...

please look beyond my horrible puctuation, it really doesnt matter to me what the appearance of the writing is, its the message, and i know there are people out there who are just so ready to comdemn and judge me because of my bad puctuation, so let it be so, it doesnt matter and it doesnt effect someone who sees beyond the average state of americas normal thinking man. sorry if it affends you, i promise if you point out all the fault in my message i will not retaliate or take revenge because that is a destruction of peace and nervana, the path i so joyfully dwell on. peace be with you all..

Krystalline Apostate said...

anonymous:
It is said that Jesus of Nazareth drove out Seven Demons, seven egos, from the body of Mary Magdalene, living personifications of the seven capital sins. Obviously, each of these seven demons is the head of a legion. Therefore, we can establish as a natural consequence that the intimate Christ was able to expel thousands of egos from the body of Mary Magdalene.
Wait, hold the phone:
Are you a Gnostic? Xtian gnostic? 7 demons? Is that from the Gospel of Mary Magdalene? Samael? Holy crap, you're following a guy who styles himself the Pale Rider?
Demons & angels & gods, oh my!
That's a pretty wild baroque meritocracy ya got there.
Good luck w/it.

Anonymous said...

samael aun weor, what a writer, when i read his work and know how spiritual he is and to think he never made a profit off any of his work because he wanted all to read it without any problems, the book i'm reading now is the great rebellion it is excellent and i don't know of any person who wouldnt like it. read it it might spark a flame in a whole new direction!!

Krystalline Apostate said...

anonymous:
when i read his work and know how spiritual he is and to think he never made a profit off any of his work because he wanted all to read it without any problems
Oh, hey, a freebie? Kick me a copy, or point where I can get 1.
the book i'm reading now is the great rebellion it is excellent and i don't know of any person who wouldnt like it.
Be careful: I'm extremely critical.
I used to read literature like that decades ago. The Seth books, the occult, all sortsa willy-nilly nonsense.
I'm an atheist, but I find this sorta thing fascinating.

Anonymous said...

Revolutionary Psychology is another great book, theres a few at this site, theres more on the web http://www.gnosticweb.com/index.php?PageID=112 , and i dont concider his work nonsense, i think it diggs deep into the mind and soul of man kind, in his book the three moutains he decribes his upbringings, so the reader can get an idea on where he is coming from, he was born with the ability to know his past lives, he experienced a very different reality then alot of people has, but his commitment to finding the truth has been very dedicated, he believes the answers to everything can befound inside eveyone because the whole world dwells in everyone, why look any further then within yourself for you are the one experiencing it 1st hand behind your eyes and image..

Krystalline Apostate said...

anonymous:
Thnx for the link. I'll be doing a post on this very, very soon.
Don't get yer hopes up though: I'm pretty heavy-handed when it comes to critiques.

Freudian Slip said...

Okay, now my coworkers are wondering why I'm laughing at my desk...thanks a lot :)
Matt

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