The Offspring Murder Club has very strict membership requirements, so the question is, does Jason qualify? Let's take a look at the evidence:
Thorbon told Knox County Sheriff's Office Sgt. Jeanette Harris that he was trying to kill his son as a sacrifice to God when he began strangling the boy at their home on Blackwood Drive in January 2005.
Thorbon's wife managed to wrest the toddler away from Thorbon and flee. Testimony has shown that Thorbon, a former mental health counselor and honor student, suffers both mental illness and drug and alcohol abuse.
Intent and attempt to kill one's own child? Check. God/afterlife as a motivator? Check. Success in killing offspring? Not quite.
However, the technicality of whether or not Jason succeeded in the act is not as important as the spirit of the act, For The Offspring Murder Club is all about spirit, whether metaphorical or literal.
Therefore, I proudly introduce the newest inductee into The Offspring Murder Club, Jason Thorbon!
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Hi Ryan,
Thanks for the info. I am going to read the thread in its entirety when I get home (im at a friends house at the moment).
I am flattered that you were introduced to self-ownership ideas by me and my friends blogs :)
Ive tackled abortion at this very blog in the past in this post.
Im not sure how much of that post applies to the LFL argument, because it was written in response to an argument from Paul Manata. However, I do explain in that post the foundation of my pro-choice argument (which is, in fact, self-ownership). Hopefully it will help you out for now.
And later on when I get a chance to read the thread you provided, I will hopefully be able to respond to it directly.
thanx for stopping by, and let me know what you think of the abortion post I just linked. :)
So what does Jason Thorbon win?
Membership in the club, and public scorn. Nothing more.
Remember, this club is a shameful club where the only reward is condemnation from the non-members.
It really is quite sad when they are deluded enough to believe that killing their own child for god is a good thing.
But then, what ancient, primitive religion is NOT based on some sort of a blood sacrifice?
Ryan,
I do not mean to ask such a dumb question but, in the process of abortion, is the fetus terminated (killed) inside the womb? or expelled from the body, and in consequence dies? or otherwise?
An abortion in itself is the mere expulsion of the fetus. While it is possible to kill a fetus while in the womb, that act in itself is not an abortion. An abortion relates to the termination of the act of a womb carrying a fetus, not the actual destruction of the fetus itself.
To help illustrate, it is worth noting that a fetus can be killed in the womb without being expelled; in other words, without being aborted.
Is there a precise time in which a fetus is capable of survival outside of the womb? and if so, when?
There is a precise time for each fetus, but it is not an identical "moment" for all fetuses.
The underlying question I mean to ask is, how do we know were not terminating and expelling a fetus that is capable of survival?
You cant always know it for sure, but you can get an accurate estimation based on a medical inspection of the womb/fetus. However, for the purposes of my pro-choice argument, this question is irrelevant.
My example; If there was a time in which a fetus was capable of survival outside the womb, and that time was 8 and 1/2 months (for instance), could you have an abortion?
Not really. It would technically be premature induced labor or forced birth, unless you count all natural birthings as "Abortions" as well. But now I am getting into definitions...
At first, one would think no; because the fetus was capable of survival. But, the definition of abortion negates that. According to the definition of abortion; only fetuses incapable of survival are aborted. This would mean you could only ever abort a fetus incapable of survival. There seems to be a contradiction to me, or information I missed.
As I understand it, yes, abortions only occur with fetuses that are incapable of surviving outside of the womb. However, I do not understand where your "contradiction" is coming from. Can you help explain?
Do you mind me discussing this issue in the comments section, or would you prefer elsewhere?
Either/or. Feel free to email me at blue46gt at yahoo dot com if you wish to continue the conversation through email instead. :)
RE abortion debate
Abortion is not a good method of contraception. (And that comment doesn't mean that I would like to see it become illegal.)
The reality is that it IS used as a method of contraception. Why?
I think that societies which consider sex to be dirty, sinful and forbidden except under "special circumstances", help to create the situation where abortion is prevalant.
Countries where sex is considered normal and natural generally promote (pre-pregnancy forms of contraception such as the pill, condoms, IUDS and spermicidal creams.
These countries have a low abortion rate as people are responsible about their sex lifes, and don't look for a quick fix after "the horse has bolted."
What exactly do you mean, "The Offspring Murder Club is all about spirit, whether metaphorical or literal." What would a "metaphorical spirit" be as opposed to a "literal spirit"????
So is it fair to cry "troll" because this post has been hijacked into another debate on abortion?
Let's be clear on this: Abortion is a devisive political non-issue. What that means is, abortions will take place regardless of the government's position. Meanwhile, real issues that are the purview of government are buried in this bullshit.
I think the Ruttles said it best when they said, "I know you know what you know, but you should know by now that you're not me." In other words, you have a right to an opinion, you have a right to voice that opinion. You have no right to pillory another person for actions that do not conform to that opinion. Take your skin bag full of genetic material and move on.
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