tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post113813528219131977..comments2024-03-27T00:15:41.321-07:00Comments on Kill The Afterlife: Paul Manata Misses Point of My Post; Embraces RacismAaron Kinneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138952208134122702006-02-02T23:36:00.000-08:002006-02-02T23:36:00.000-08:00Hey, aaron, just wanted to let you know that my bl...Hey, aaron, just wanted to let you know that my blog, Weltanschauung, moved into a subdirectory. New address is: aethlos.com/welt <BR/>sorry for the inconvenience!<BR/><BR/>-SpencerAethloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10943629916231138113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138549463559766572006-01-29T07:44:00.000-08:002006-01-29T07:44:00.000-08:00Since (as far as we know) humans are the only anim...Since (as far as we know) humans are the only animals capable of defining morality, or having their actions interpreted through a moral lens, I am still struggling with the concept in its entirety. I will go so far as to say that I am not sure that "morality" exists in more than a convenient fictional sense, and that what you are defining as axioms of universal morality are not in actuality axioms of self-interest.<BR/><BR/>I am currently exploring the postulate that all human action and motivation can be expressed in terms of <I>perceived</I> self interest. The "rub", as Shakespeare would put it, is that the various experiences of our lives (gratification, trauma, stressors, etc.) distort in myriad ways our perception of self-interest. Perception, as I am using it here is not necessarily conscious perception or full-blown ideation.<BR/><BR/>Just something I'm poking to see if I can put a hole in it. Your thoughts?<BR/><BR/>Without segue, I have a small problem with one thing you posted.<BR/><BR/>"...sexual assault is only assault if one does not consent to it. So if this person doesn't have a problem with being "molested," then he isn't really being molested. In other words, it is logically impossible to rape someone who gives willing consent to the sexual act."<BR/><BR/>Our lives are not discrete events, but a continuous whole. You make the point of the wrongness of coercion when discussing the child molester. A child in puberty with raging hormones can be coerced without either: a) feeling empowered to defend against that coercion, or b) understanding the true nature of the relationship being offered by the child molester. Because of this, a child (or young adult in a date rape scenario) can give consent and then see the act in a different way later in life. Sadly, many people in this situation blame themselves for "weakness" of character.breakerslionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14327290369084118043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138506434309866892006-01-28T19:47:00.000-08:002006-01-28T19:47:00.000-08:00No prob Dub. Thanx for pointing that out.No prob Dub. Thanx for pointing that out.Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138438914153182032006-01-28T01:01:00.000-08:002006-01-28T01:01:00.000-08:00Um, Aaron. You're my boy and all, and I'm right wi...Um, Aaron. You're my boy and all, and I'm right with you. I agree with you the majority of the time (still not feeling the whole Libertarian thing -- you and/or Francois should direct me to some material).<BR/><BR/>But "existence" is only a noun. "Exist" is a verb. "Existent" is both a noun and an adjective. "I exist" = noun, verb. "Axiom of existence" = noun, preposition, object (noun) of preposition.<BR/><BR/>That said, I fully understand (and support) the point you were making, but the presentation had that flaw. The message is still valid though.<BR/><BR/>I do not wish to take anything away from your argument by drawing attention to this.DUBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04395913387532403508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138242588874827242006-01-25T18:29:00.000-08:002006-01-25T18:29:00.000-08:00"And honestly I dont think "invisible sky fairy" i..."And honestly I dont think "invisible sky fairy" is as mean sounding as the tone you have taken recently when writing about me."<BR/><BR/>And that settles it. It's your subjective opinion that my stuff was mean, nasty, demeaning, insulting, etc. I don't think it was in the slightest.<BR/><BR/>So, I did it out of pure fun and now I guess I'm more aware of your sensitivities. Some atheists (not reformed) can handle it and think it's funny, others can't. I now know that I cannot joke *at all* with you because I never know when you're going to flip, fine.<BR/><BR/>You bring up my mentioning of your comments. Notice that I have only done so *after* you guys bring it up. I *never* initiate it. I bring it up, frankly, because I'm shocked that people who are so rude and arrogant to my fellow Christians would moan about lighthearted jokes. So, when you do, I simply mention that you guys do it and so why would you complain about me? (Opinion: I think it's because you cannot handle my arguments and you must resort to smear tactics).<BR/><BR/>So, I do care about your feelings, and out of Christian charity, I apologize that you took offense at an unintended offense (something not intended to offend but rather to get *you* (and others) to laugh and have fun reading). I still do not think it is objectively wrong.<BR/><BR/>So, in the future, if we ever do converse, it's nothing but dry, boring, humorless, stale, arid, drab and stodgy responses you'll get.<BR/><BR/>This whining and complaining has been a waste of my time. If you ever did what I did, I would just come back with something funnier, not write a post about how big and mean you were. I guess that's another difference between us.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, my post still stands and, along with it, some pretty hard refutations against you.Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138233882768610772006-01-25T16:04:00.000-08:002006-01-25T16:04:00.000-08:00ah, so I cannot joke anymore.I never said that. An...<I>ah, so I cannot joke anymore.</I><BR/><BR/>I never said that. And I also admitted to chuckling at some of your jokes in the past, even if they were at my expense. Some of them were pretty funny. Honestly Paul, how can you be that suprised that I took offense though to the arabic thing? <BR/><BR/><I>I have not called you a moron, idiot, dummy, etc., and will not.</I><BR/><BR/>Okay, you havent necessarily used those specific words. However, you have very demeaning tones that you use when writing about me and you imply quite a few things that obviously both Christian and atheist readers easily pick up. <BR/><BR/><I>My "new tone" needs to be dry and humorless. Or, if I make jokes, they must be of the sort that *you* approve of.</I><BR/><BR/>No it doesnt. Its just that you need to realize that it is very hard to reply to the serious portions of your posts when they are wrapped up in so much insulting-sounding language. It really is alot of negativity, Paul, and Ive never had another Chrisian heap on nearly the amounts of disrespectful tone on me that you do in your writing. <BR/><BR/><I>Oh, and Kinney, you said that you also would change your tune, but yet you call me an ass, among other things.</I><BR/><BR/>Yup. Once in awhile you inspire me to write in your style for a sentence or two. I try not to insult you Paul, but sometimes a few things slip out because I honestly feel like you deserve a little taste of your own medicine. Since my "ass" comment and my mocking of your God obviously displease you, maybe you can identify a bit now with what I feel too? <BR/><BR/><I>So, just like how you "apologized" for mocking my God, and then turn around *after the fact* and do so again, it looks like you can "turn a new leaf" but continue to do the same thing. </I><BR/><BR/>Well, I was sincere in my apology when I posted it in your comments. I dont throw around apologies that I dont mean, as you dont appear to either. But it was AFTER I apologized to you, and you only refused to acknowledge the validity of me being offended, that I referred to your Lord as an "invisible sky fairy". <BR/><BR/>And honestly I dont think "invisible sky fairy" is as mean sounding as the tone you have taken recently when writing about me. <BR/><BR/>I at least try to refrain from insults, and succeed in doing so most of the time, when writing about you or in response to you. You, for the most part, dont even try to refrain from doing the same to me. <BR/><BR/>When you protest about my insults to you or your God, I apologize to you, because it is conductive to these conversations to remain respectful of each others "feelings" and to acknowledge when someone is legitimately offended. It is within both of our self interests for us to do so. <BR/><BR/>However, you do not recognize this. You have essentially stated that you dont care at all about how you treat ME or how you offend ME per se; all you care about is if your conduct toward me pisses off your God (is a sin), and if you dont think you are sinning to your God, then its all fair game. You clearly dont even consider any of your peers when you evaluate your conduct, only your God. <BR/><BR/>It doesnt look good for the Christian position you are supporting when you demonstrate that you dont care at all about me or how you treat me, but only about your God and how you treat Him. Like I said before, you need to work on your people skills. <BR/><BR/>However, another ironic thing about this situation, is that you seem to write disrespectfully towards me and other atheists because you think its funny. In other words, it pleases you to do so; it makes you happy. You do not write about me disrespectfully because of some Godly command or to please your Lord. You only do so to please yourself, and your Christian readers (which also pleases yourself). So it looks to me like you are actually basing these actions not on God or His word, but on your own perceived self interest. Its like its axiomatic to you to do things that please yourself. Spooky! :-O<BR/><BR/>So Paul, I have some questions for you. Would you like me to apologize to you for calling you an ass? Did I sin when I called you an ass? If I didnt sin when I called you an ass, then would you agree that I dont owe you an apology? And if I did sin when I called you an ass, would I owe the apology to you or to your Lord?Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138224337220716632006-01-25T13:25:00.000-08:002006-01-25T13:25:00.000-08:00ah, so I cannot joke anymore.I have not called you...ah, so I cannot joke anymore.<BR/><BR/>I have not called you a moron, idiot, dummy, etc., and will not.<BR/><BR/>My "new tone" needs to be dry and humorless. Or, if I make jokes, they must be of the sort that *you* approve of.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Kinney, you said that you also would change your tune, but yet you call me an ass, among other things. So, just like how you "apologized" for mocking my God, and then turn around *after the fact* and do so again, it looks like you can "turn a new leaf" but continue to do the same thing.Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138222912492039002006-01-25T13:01:00.000-08:002006-01-25T13:01:00.000-08:00Yes. Second verse, same as the first.Yes. <BR/><BR/>Second verse, same as the first.Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138206916215569292006-01-25T08:35:00.000-08:002006-01-25T08:35:00.000-08:00*Sigh*Is this the "New Tone" that Paul has claimed...*Sigh*<BR/><BR/>Is this the "New Tone" that Paul has claimed for himself?Zachary Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16991061670470673718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11975474.post-1138180444762743662006-01-25T01:14:00.000-08:002006-01-25T01:14:00.000-08:00http://presstheantithesis.blogspot.com/2006/01/big...http://presstheantithesis.blogspot.com/2006/01/biggoted-racist-meanie-responds.htmlErrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.com